Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes

[Pingu29]

Hell , still no answers ?

Maybe should you block every non buyer player, instead of letting them think that there is a "discussion" about bf/vp , because i'm expecting the SPAM to come back !

[Truslow]

Ok I'm not at all pleased about the changes, but I can understand that you guys need to make money. I think though that you went about it all wrong and if things don't get changed then you will have to work on building the fan base back up again. With all the fallout that might take a while so here are my suggestions on what you guys (DICE/EA) can do that will make the existing fan base settle down while also letting you guys make money.

First off set the weapons back to their old prices (or maybe 50-100 VP more expensive than the old prices) with the old 7 day/1 month duration options. Make the uber weapons 100 VP more expensive than the price for the regular weapons at the same duration. So if 7 days cost 150 VP for a regular gun it would cost 250 VP for 7 days with an uber weapon. For a casual gamer the 7 day/1 month duration really is necessary to make weapon purchases viable using only VP. Also not everyone wants to spend BF on weapons and some might prefer to spend it on clothing/emotes. The current prices also make it so there isn't really anything worth spending VP on except maybe widgets so it undermines the concept of the VP widget.

As for widgets: Aside from the obvious problem of widgets costing way too much VP for the number you buy I think there is also the problem of the type of bandage offered. I used the level 4 bandages when I started out and lost lots of HP in a single firefight. Once I got my characters to a higher level and got better at the game I no longer needed that amount of healing and just need a level 1 or 2 bandage (level 1 for my soldier, level 2 for my gunner). I would never ever use a level 5 bandage because in order to get the full heal I have to be pretty badly hurt. I mostly use bandages for a slight heal so that you have enough health to fight a freshly spawned guy. If you heal before that point you are throwing away VP/BF. If you don't heal until you are wounded enough to get a full heal (and full use of the VP/BF spent) odds are most of the time you died before finishing the firefight making healing irrelevant.

Bring the old bandages back because, despite the amount healed, level 5 bandages are fairly useless once you get a high level character and become reasonably skilled in the game. Most of the time I could actually use a level 5 bandage I'm going to die before it could ever finish healing me (namely when I am trying to cap a flag or defend one from most of the enemy team). I certainly would never ever spend real money on something like this, unless you happen to be filthy rich odds are you have much better things to spend money on than throwing it at widgets.

Now on to the problem of "excess VP":

I think a good idea for solving the VP excess would be to take all the clothing (including the current BF only stuff) and give it the 1 day/3 day VP price. Basically give players with extra VP a "try before you buy" option. People can then try out clothing combos, but the price will be set so it won't be sustainable to have the clothing using only VP (without a VP boost widget anyway). If people like the combo they will either buy it with BF or buy a VP boost widget. Either way DICE wins and it also gives greater potential of getting people who are on the fence to buy BF.

As for emotes I don't really care much about the changes since I wasn't big on emote taunting. It would also fit with my idea on the "try before you buy" concept and I think it might be good to extend it to the BF only emotes too. I think they should add the "enemy spotted!" as a default emote since it helps with teamwork and is easily more important than the "hello" wave default emote. I'd happily trade the wave emote for the "enemy spotted!" emote. Basically switch things up so that if you want to emote taunt you need to spend BF or tons of VP, if all you want is teamwork then you have all you need by default.

DICE can set the weapons and widgets back to the way it once was so the players will be happy and the main problems with the price changes will be solved. Basically make it so all customization options (clothing/emotes) keep their current VP prices and have the prices extended to the BF only options but set weapons/widgets back to their old prices/durations and restore the old widget levels/prices. The players calm down because everyone can now fight on equal terms (and that is the only real important thing VP price wise), and DICE wins because people have to spend BF if they want to look cool for more than a few days.

[timotmcc]

(05-12-2009 06:40 PM)Phoenix234 Wrote:  what im offended at is i brought BF and got the coloured sniper and pistol and some clothes, because i didnt expect there to be weapons that gave other players an advantage over me.

now if i could sell those now useless weapons for 100% bf i wouldnt care.
but i cant.
ive wasted maybe £20 on Bf that now gives me nothing in return.
sure i dont need to buy VP weapons.
but now other players can buy weapons with BF that are better then what i have, for the same price i payed a month ago.

unless you change it so all BF items give the same effect im leaving.

EA should give a partial-battlefund refund to people who bought weapons in the past, would make it more fair to reflect the new prices.
I think these super weapons are a bad idea though, as BP customers have a direct ingame advantage, which is not a good thing in a F2P game.

[Xanzibar]

How's about instead of lowering the (unecessarily high) VP pricing, make it so that it is much easier to earn VP in game. 7 + VP per round is not sustainable, and the high prices will make people hoard their VP even more. Increase the amount of VP you can earn by : a) Increasing the VP earning rate, maybe +5 or so per kill, +2 per assist, +10 for a tank smash, roadkill and +20 for wingclip. That way it will take less time to earn more, and act as a semi reward for skilled casual gamers. Also, B) Add more missions / acheivements to unlock and earn for, with increasingly better VP rewards (or even a limited duration costume add-on, like in combat arms) as well as special Holiday missions with BIG VP. It gives the game more longevity. As it is, the prices are too high yet (if i read correctly) permanent. So why not make it easier to earn it? it sorta reduces the advantage of BF players (since it is easier to get Tier 1 Weapons sustainably) whilst not making too significant of a shop change.

Just my 2 cents.

ENJOY !

[werwer3]

now its senseless
buy a weapon for 3 days and be poor
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[norron]

bye bye EA just got myself a copy of Call of Duty MW2 and it rockssss. Get this right i paid for it once using steam and from now on it will automatically download content for FREE...yes the oppoite to BFH which is download the barely half finished game for free but if you want the content which makes the game more fun PAY. When i feel nostalgic about BFH i play Team Fortress 2...wow guess what its the same game engine as BFH.

BF funds EArn no honor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Silverlana]

Lol at the amount of pages

[diwib]

In order that we need now the vp's?

[Lerim]

Why don't they return the VP prices to normal but lower the amount of VPs you get when you level up? Or maybe scale it according to how high the level is, since that means you get a bigger reward for playing more. I got most of my VPs through leveling up. 3 characters x 10 levels x 100 VPs per level = 3000 VP. I only got maybe 700 without level-ups...

[cajkaa]

i can deal with the prices but i cant deal with no bandages PLEASE PUT THE BANDAGES BACK TO NORMAL!!!!

[dieudepinols]

for me, it is annoying becaus i can't buy BF so it is very for gain levels and get weapons:huh[/quote]

[Xanzibar]

I have placed my earlier suggestion in a thread for all to peruse:
http://www.battlefieldheroes.com/forum/s...?tid=91778

[cetverooki]

First of all this is my first post on forum. I was more interested in game that in small talk on forum.
Second recent price change has made me reconsider playing this game. Since i don't heave any ability to by BF (no credit card which is usable online) I will be reduced soon to canon-meat for all idiots who can spend money on BF and buy better weapons and widgets (in fact it has already happening).

In conclusion : if there is no change in pricing and in time to use (of weapons in game) I will simply uninstall this game and forget that it ever existed. I did by original Battlefiled 2142 and I heave played BF heroes becouse it takes me less time to start playing but now...

[Obode]

Based on my own lvl 25 gunner which has 574 Wins 261 Losses

Ive earned a total of 7823VP (+- 2000-3000 from missions)
With VP Boost since lvl 1 that would added up to 13146VP (+- 2000-3000 from missions)

2500 for lvl 1-25
4018-x2 for Wins
1305-x2 for Losses


Based on this Extremly simple Math how can you EA/Dice in all honesty say that a majority of your players have to much VP, when theres obviously no chance that, that is the case.

Also added another little piece just to show how many rounds it takes to actually get the new uber rounds, even added in an average based on 1.0 ratio.

450 = 64 wins or 90 losses and if your win-loss ratio is 1.0 it should take you about 76 rounds to get it.

1350 = 192 wins or 270 losses and if your win-loss ratio is 1.0 it should take you about 228 rounds to get it.


Also based on my Played Time 95.35 hours Ive made 82VP/Hour which means it takes me pretty much spot on 5 hours and 30 minutes to use the uber for one day.
16 hours and 30 minutes for 3 days.


I can't belive that any of you Ea/Dice employes can say with a straight face that this is not screwed up...

The Solution is quite simple, either Increase income by 200% or lower the price to 200 per day for weapons and increase the quantity of bandages to 30 per 120 vp.

My math skills are average, so If anyone seen any flaw in these, please feel do inform me.

[Pablo1989]

Battlefield Heroes 2

World War III begins


EA/DICE Inc vs Angry Players Army (Royals and Nationals Makes Peace at this moment, to kick ass of EA/Dice )

[Alexyos]

they are shiting on us

[Ash9]

....boo

[randy118644]

And frankly the weapons are op, when everyone on the NAT team, had them, and 2 of them are aimboting(Shut your mouth flaps i was headshot 12 times in a totally random spot by the pricks while stealthed at an easy 300 yards) that and the fact only one of our teammates had a Super weapon, showing that the hardcore NAT'S VS Casual(mostly royals) Casuals got the short end of the stick, and thereby weakened a faction

[VT_Bird]

Just rented the new SMG. It is amazing - 100x better than the default. Wow.

[Randysnipesu]

With that account and my Soldier account combined, i have 231 VP, TOTAL