The Nationals do NOT look like nazis.

[Reaper13]

Totally not. Really. No joke. Not. No.

The censored word: Evil german guys in WW2.

[Preezy]

I agree on that!

[Dojab]

My guy doesn't even look German, he looks French ^^

[LegendReborn]

Based on the fact that the nationals look and sound like the French I am going to go change wikipedia to rectify the notion that WWII was against Germany. It was clearly against France.

[Astrosimi]

Darn, I fell into the sarchasm for while there.

This entire thread is a sarchasm!

[Alfred E. Neuman]

What a mistake-a to make-a. Thees game is-a all about us. Ciao regazzi.

[Arawak]

well my guy is imaginary finnish so I dont want that renamed france.

tbh they look like they are all from canada.


this just in canada confirmed for enemy of us in WWIII.

yes I know they even did d-day.

[Schlondak]

Anyone else see the irony in nazis being censored in a WWII shooter?

[warfreaxs]

(21-03-2009 08:40 PM)Schlondak Wrote:  Anyone else see the irony in ***** being censored in a WWII shooter?

Yeah but some people get offended i guess. Idk hmmm British soldiers? Americans, British, French, Viva le revolution, The reds. Idk None of em are sensored kind of discrimitory. Idk. Who cares..

[Hoogz]

The jerry's uniforms look freakin cool (probably because that guy 'hugo boss' designed them or whatever)
It doesn't really matter, your not doing any evil things.

Why the F- is Nat(i) and Kr(a)ut censored?
If you want to make a kid friendly BF/wargame, go make another red vs. blue type game.

[Alfred E. Neuman]

Look, there could be an issue with this if more Natzi symbols like the Gestapo outfit are introduced.

I have tremendous fun playing as a National. I love making fun of (and with) stereotypes and that the stereotype of the German Imperial soldier appeals to me in particular. So I equip the sort of stuff my char would carry, including a monocle and sometimes a Pickelhaube (peaked helmet). It's WWI stuff. I'm cool with that. I can laugh at my Knirps (which, roughly translated, means 'Babyface') and treat him like the idiot he is (as I would with any Royal officer I might play).

But some other National symbols are not so cool. Stuff like the Gestapo clothes is not military, it's political. It's all done in good fun, I know, but there is a fine line here that should not be crossed. There is a qualitative difference between making fun with, say, a Royal officer's stiff upper lip and a National officer's Hitler salute, if you catch my drift. The first fits into the game, the second does not. Red Baron stuff is ok. Waffen-SS is not ok. Etcetera.

Regardless of exactly how many players agree or disagree with me, I think this would be an issue for discussion within EA/Dice, or will be once this game goes wide open. We shouldn't cave in to anti-gaming fanatics, political correctness types and assorted idiots, of course. I'm not asking for changes or policy statements. But I would plead with the developers to consider this and make sure that no new dubious symbolism is added. I love the game, it is fine as it is, and I will play it for a long time. I hope I will never have to reconsider on the basis of this issue.

[Solid Snail]

Being stereotypo German from 1939-1945 is half the fun being a national, as long as its not being political, holocaust n stuff.

[Alfred E. Neuman]

Ask yourself if you want to wear an authentic swastika.

Nuff said.

[Solid Snail]

What? Im Hindu!
Well, the National flag CAN look like it... a bit... But i do hate the swastika..

[JohnChard]

[re-enacotr mode]
The only uniform items that are actually in any way similar to those worn by WWII German forces are the common soldier jacket, the secret police and special forces hats, the white winter jacket, and the cammoflage jacket.

The Kommadants Coat is fairly reminiscent of the stereotypice geheime staatspolizie coat, though this is merely a stereotype and is not accurate. The leather coat thing was only really popular in the pre-war days amongst members of the shuftstaffel.

The Secret Police Jacket is similar to the Panzerwraps, however these were never made in leather. Same goes for the formal red jacket - again, these were never red, nor formal! Only ever black and grey.

The Formal Blue Jacket is fairly close, giving leeway for the graphics, to the pre WWI formal uniform worn by Saxon Uhlans/Hussars, or the pre-1898 uniform worn by Wurrtemberg Infantry Regiments. The National Troopers hat is similar to the pickelhaube worn by Saxon's, most like officer candidates' ones.

[Alfred E. Neuman]

I appreciate your attention to detail, though we have to bear in mind that a cartoony game such as BFH will include cartoony (hence stereotyped) characters and we shouldn't read too much into them.

Nonetheless, the Gestapo were essentially SS and came under Himmler's authority. Along with the rest of the SS they gave up their black uniforms toward the start of the war, and in a sense they gave up wearing uniform as such. During the war most Gestapo officers wore plain clothes. However, some high-ranking Gestapo people still continued to wear the dark blue leather overcoat of the SS. Both Müller and Kaltenbrunner were sighted in it during the war. They didn't wear the black hats though, but the typical SS visor caps (aptly dubbed 'hoerapetten' or 'hurrah caps' in my native Dutch). But I strongly suspect that the art department of BFH looked at the profoundly (and brilliantly) stereotyped Herr Flick more than anything else.

[Merlin122]

I think the nationals are more based off of colnel klink from hogan's heroes.

[durden]

I have to say the intial 'black' leather type uniform, with a 'x' at the neck with the red&black color is pretty close to the N's. Suprised me a bit was going to start a thread about it and found this.

[JohnChard]

(23-03-2009 09:12 PM)Alfred E. Neuman Wrote:  I appreciate your attention to detail, though we have to bear in mind that a cartoony game such as BFH will include cartoony (hence stereotyped) characters and we shouldn't read too much into them.

Nonetheless, the Gestapo were essentially SS and came under Himmler's authority. Along with the rest of the SS they gave up their black uniforms toward the start of the war, and in a sense they gave up wearing uniform as such. During the war most Gestapo officers wore plain clothes. However, some high-ranking Gestapo people still continued to wear the dark blue leather overcoat of the SS. Both Müller and Kaltenbrunner were sighted in it during the war. They didn't wear the black hats though, but the typical SS visor caps (aptly dubbed 'hoerapetten' or 'hurrah caps' in my native Dutch). But I strongly suspect that the art department of BFH looked at the profoundly (and brilliantly) stereotyped Herr Flick more than anything else.

Oh, yes. I'm not denying the uniforms are reminiscent of popular images of the German political armed forces during the Second World War, but the uniform worn by the nationals is further away from the true uniforms than those of the Royals , for whom there are many items which are pretty spot on, though mainly of US uniforms - despite assurances by some the the Royals are "British", a quick look through the clothing store shews only three uniquely British Items; kilt, denison smock, and windproof trousers. One could include the sweater also, but whilst that's very British, it's a post WWII thing!

[A5ko™]

I do find it a little stupid to filter quite so much history.

Do you not think children learn about WWII in schools anymore? You can make the distinction easily.. so why try to cover it with *'s.

Even in one of the early BF: H trailers.. the guy playing the nationals does a psuedo-foreign accent. Which to be my ears, sounds like a baaaad german one.

Remove the filters on what is history, available to anyone and everyone, and get to filtering worthy things!