Is the Keg nerfed more than Hate said?

[The_WUUSTER]

(16-06-2012 05:20 PM)Bansheebot Wrote:  

(16-06-2012 04:44 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  But regardless, maximizing a class/weapon's potential is something the average player isn't expected to do. Is the average soldier expected to master LR pistol aim? No. But does that change the fact that the LRP is more powerful than the SRSMG on average in most situations? No, even if the "average soldier" can't make use of it.

If the 'average' soldier can't pull it off, how is it on 'average' a better choice then an smg.

There are players besides the uber-skilled you know.

Obviously you can't be average and outperform everyone else, that only happens when something is Overpowered.

Well, I said it beats out the SRSMG in terms of overall utility, not how it is on "average" a better choice.

And besides, you don't even need pro pistol aim. Even with semi-decent aim the LRP does its job for you.

[Bansheebot]

Overall and Average are pretty much synonyms.

If you only have semi-decent aim, you probably don't have the other qualities that make it possible for the more skilled players to pull off having two pistols without camping.

[The_WUUSTER]

No, overall is not synonymous with average.

[Bansheebot]

X weapon is better overall/On average, X weapon is better.

Means the same thing.

[The_WUUSTER]

(16-06-2012 07:33 PM)Bansheebot Wrote:  X weapon is better overall/On average, X weapon is better.

When a weapon is better overall, it means that holistically the weapon is better; it's more versatile and a jack of all trades.

When a weapon is better on average, it means that out of X trials, that weapon has proven to be a better weapon.

[Bansheebot]

And if it's to be proven to be a better weapon based on trials, it has to be versatile.

If a weapon averages out to be good, that means in most situations it's the better choice.

I.e. exactly what you've been saying about the LR pistol.

[The_WUUSTER]

Not necessarily. Only when the weapon is better on average based on multiple different trials testing out different things, then it is also better overall. You can have multiple trials testing out the same thing, but that doesn't mean something's better holistically. You can have multiple trials comparing the LRP and the SRSMG at close range, and the SRSMG on average beats out the LRP. Not the same as "the SRSMG is better than the LRP as an overall weapon."

Also, note how average is not mentioned in the thesaurus as a synonym for overall. Average means "common," "typical," while overall means "holistic," "as a whole." These 2 words have totally different definitions.

[Bansheebot]

When I hear someone did trials comparing two things, I assume it's a given that they tried out different variables.
That includes a Lr pistol fighting a Sr smg in a variety of different circumstances, not just standing in front of each other.

In mathmatics Average also means a result obtained by adding several quantities together and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
In the context of the game and its mechanics, they mean the same thing.
For example: You can't say a weapon is better Overall if haven't been doing better then Average with other weapons.
Likewise: You can't say a weapon is better then Average if you aren't doing better Overall then what you did with other weapons.

Overall and Average aren't exact synonyms but they can still both be used to communicate the same idea.
"Overall, more people go to Bob's Craabshack then other restaurants."
"Bob's Crabshack averages more dinee's then other restaurants."

[The_WUUSTER]

Ok if that's how you interpret it.

[LightItUp!]

holy not so good
i just read that and now ug ot me so frikkin confused. thanks