Why so many people hate drakes fire ??

[The_WUUSTER]

With the nerf, I'm glad that there are barely any DF users now.

But in games where there's still a guy that uses it (and not only uses it, but spams it like a mofo), it's still aaf.

[OrangeOrange1]

(25-02-2012 09:44 PM)SaltShooter Wrote:  it's owerpowered beacuse it makes 60 damage from long range

Df can do for one infranty max 39 dmg if you didn't know

[Diggidy]

are there any DF montages? probably not bc it's just spam from a distance. if there are I would love to see one, maybe I'm wrong.

[crazy0111]

(27-03-2012 03:43 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  But in games where there's still a guy that uses it (and not only uses it, but spams it like a mofo), it's still aaf.

Yep, It’s the most annoying weapon in game. Maybe nerf it again or remove it

[Mrs.Murder]

(28-03-2012 06:42 AM)Diggidy Wrote:  are there any DF montages? probably not bc it's just spam from a distance. if there are I would love to see one, maybe I'm wrong.

Meh, I made a small one when it was first released (just to show damage, range and whatnot). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erFrEi6gL4g
The regular RPG gives much better tactical advantage, but DF is superior in dealing with campers (especially after they nerfed my PP).

[Broodjedoner]

(25-02-2012 09:41 PM)orpheus###### Wrote:  originally it had significantly higher blast radius and range, which made it a wep which gunners would just spamand get free(easy) kills and points. this made it incredibly overpowered and hence was called a noob weapon.

Yeah, just another example how an OP weapon is introduced, bought by tons of people for reallife money (practically) and later nerfed, without giving people a playforfreefunds-back/moneyback option. Same happened with the grenade launcher, pirate pistol and probably some weapons I forgot. The same might happen with the LR/SR MG robot weapon within 1 or 2 months or so.

Fraudulent EA practices, what's new. What can you do, wait with buying new weapons, until they're nerfed or 'balanced'. THEN you can make a good decision on whether it's worth your money.

For now I'd just stick with the SR MG + assaultshot + regular/super RPG.

[The_WUUSTER]

(28-03-2012 04:37 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  

(25-02-2012 09:41 PM)orpheus###### Wrote:  originally it had significantly higher blast radius and range, which made it a wep which gunners would just spamand get free(easy) kills and points. this made it incredibly overpowered and hence was called a noob weapon.

Yeah, just another example how an OP weapon is introduced, bought by tons of people for reallife money (practically) and later nerfed, without giving people a playforfreefunds-back/moneyback option. Same happened with the grenade launcher, pirate pistol and probably some weapons I forgot. The same might happen with the LR/SR MG robot weapon within 1 or 2 months or so.

Fraudulent EA practices, what's new. What can you do, wait with buying new weapons, until they're nerfed or 'balanced'. THEN you can make a good decision on whether it's worth your money.

For now I'd just stick with the SR MG + assaultshot + regular/super RPG.

EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

[Broodjedoner]

The_WUUSTER Wrote:EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.
Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

You seriously are defending a position where the developer nerfs weapons you indirectly payed reallife money for, without even giving a funds-back option? It's NOT a customer friendly practice of EA/Easy. A reasonable company would give a funds-back option after nerfing ingame items you payed good money for. You payed for their power, at the time.

What a reasonable developer would also do is: PRE-TEST the weapons to see if they're balanced. When I pay p4freefunds worth of 6 euro's for 1 digital item, I'm allowed to expect it to be tested beforehand, since I'm playing on a live server. I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already. Again: not reasonable. There's really no discussion against this, unless you're from EA/Easy and just care about a quick buck instead of the customers that pay so you can keep your freaking job.

[Frostfire_vThree]

(30-03-2012 06:16 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  

The_WUUSTER Wrote:EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.
Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

You seriously are defending a position where the developer nerfs weapons you indirectly payed reallife money for, without even giving a funds-back option? It's NOT a customer friendly practice of EA/Easy. A reasonable company would give a funds-back option after nerfing ingame items you payed good money for. You payed for their power, at the time.

What a reasonable developer would also do is: PRE-TEST the weapons to see if they're balanced. When I pay p4freefunds worth of 6 euro's for 1 digital item, I'm allowed to expect it to be tested beforehand, since I'm playing on a live server. I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already. Again: not reasonable. There's really no discussion against this, unless you're from EA/Easy and just care about a quick buck instead of the customers that pay so you can keep your freaking job.

+1

[SweetName]

(30-03-2012 06:16 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  . I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already.

I expect the games I play to be under constant review for balancing issues.

Weird huh?

[Spek.]

Getting spammed by random bouncing bombs from uninspected spots isn't a reason to hate it. I love it because I like random bouncing bombs from uninspected spots, totally destroying my commando ^^

[orpheus######]

(30-03-2012 06:16 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  

The_WUUSTER Wrote:EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.
Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

You seriously are defending a position where the developer nerfs weapons you indirectly payed reallife money for, without even giving a funds-back option? It's NOT a customer friendly practice of EA/Easy. A reasonable company would give a funds-back option after nerfing ingame items you payed good money for. You payed for their power, at the time.

What a reasonable developer would also do is: PRE-TEST the weapons to see if they're balanced. When I pay p4freefunds worth of 6 euro's for 1 digital item, I'm allowed to expect it to be tested beforehand, since I'm playing on a live server. I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already. Again: not reasonable. There's really no discussion against this, unless you're from EA/Easy and just care about a quick buck instead of the customers that pay so you can keep your freaking job.

They actually do pre test these things, but only with their own team so they are only able to test within the confines of a small team. Live testing with open access doesn't work as people would just use it to test hacks and other weapons and provide no real feedback. So i don't think that it is unreasonable to nerf the weapons 2-3 months after it has been released as this is the only realistic way that they can determine if it is balanced. I mean if a weapon is impeding on everybody elses ability to enjoy the game then it should be balanced to keep the majority of the community happy
instead of the individual. Yes the community seems to be quite unreasonable these days, as though bfp4fs community assimilated its way into bfhs somehow.

[The_WUUSTER]

(30-03-2012 06:16 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  

The_WUUSTER Wrote:EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.
Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

You seriously are defending a position where the developer nerfs weapons you indirectly payed reallife money for, without even giving a funds-back option? It's NOT a customer friendly practice of EA/Easy. A reasonable company would give a funds-back option after nerfing ingame items you payed good money for. You payed for their power, at the time.

What a reasonable developer would also do is: PRE-TEST the weapons to see if they're balanced. When I pay p4freefunds worth of 6 euro's for 1 digital item, I'm allowed to expect it to be tested beforehand, since I'm playing on a live server. I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already. Again: not reasonable. There's really no discussion against this, unless you're from EA/Easy and just care about a quick buck instead of the customers that pay so you can keep your freaking job.

Just saying. Also for the record I never jumped on the DF bandwagon, or any other "new weapon" bandwagon.

But you make a point. If the devs didn't fail hard like they do now, this wouldn't even be an issue.
But honestly, I'd be glad if an OP weapon I paid for got nerfed; it's good for the game.

[Broodjedoner]

(30-03-2012 10:55 PM)orpheus###### Wrote:  

(30-03-2012 06:16 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  

The_WUUSTER Wrote:EAsy's allowed to tweak weapons, as stated in their ToS.
Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

Also, keep in mind you never paid real money for the weapon. You paid money for the funds, which are then used to "purchase" the weapon. So technically it's not fraudulent.

You seriously are defending a position where the developer nerfs weapons you indirectly payed reallife money for, without even giving a funds-back option? It's NOT a customer friendly practice of EA/Easy. A reasonable company would give a funds-back option after nerfing ingame items you payed good money for. You payed for their power, at the time.

What a reasonable developer would also do is: PRE-TEST the weapons to see if they're balanced. When I pay p4freefunds worth of 6 euro's for 1 digital item, I'm allowed to expect it to be tested beforehand, since I'm playing on a live server. I don't expect weapons to be balanced after they've been live for 2 months and everyone's payed money for em already. Again: not reasonable. There's really no discussion against this, unless you're from EA/Easy and just care about a quick buck instead of the customers that pay so you can keep your freaking job.

They actually do pre test these things, but only with their own team so they are only able to test within the confines of a small team. Live testing with open access doesn't work as people would just use it to test hacks and other weapons and provide no real feedback. So i don't think that it is unreasonable to nerf the weapons 2-3 months after it has been released as this is the only realistic way that they can determine if it is balanced. I mean if a weapon is impeding on everybody elses ability to enjoy the game then it should be balanced to keep the majority of the community happy
instead of the individual. Yes the community seems to be quite unreasonable these days, as though bfp4fs community assimilated its way into bfhs somehow.

And still this doesn't remove my argument that there should be a funds back option when you've payed 5-6 euro's of funds for a weapon that got nerfed significantly lateron. It's the least thing a reasonable dev does.

It was quite obvious that even though (for instance) the piratepistol had a 2+sec reload, the burst damage potential was too high. To me it seems like Easy puts in weapons they KNOW are OP (in specific situations). An easy way to fix the piratepistol is to significantly lower the dmg, but also decrease the reload time. Less burst damage, same sustained dmg. Simple. Either way: What happens with the piratepistol: People buy it in masses -> lateron, when Easy's collected enough moneym they finally 'balance' em. Sure this is my pessimistic view, but I'm sure quite some people are slowly starting to think the same and are therefor becoming more and more wary of buying new weapons. In the end, Easy will just shoot themselves in the foot.

[elbrus15]

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[Drew]

(31-03-2012 04:14 PM)Broodjedoner Wrote:  And still this doesn't remove my argument that there should be a funds back option when you've payed 5-6 euro's of funds for a weapon that got nerfed significantly lateron. It's the least thing a reasonable dev does.

Find 1 game that does that.

[Diggidy]

imo, if the DF cannonballs had trails on them like sniper bullets or grenades from the MGL it might be more acceptable.

[DeathIsEminent]

The Truth: Because they refuse to adapt and don't get near a teammate that has 5 IEG or the gunner won't take it, and get mad when they can't camp with their pistols as effectively anymore and get a taste of their own camping medicine, gunner style.

[o_Biscuit_NL]

i Got drakes fire...

Why? to lose some anger when the Nationals are spawn R@ping cause they are always greedy for kills

[T3553RACT]

Meh. Haters gonna hate.