Kicked for using Pirate Pistol

[Mrs.Murder]

(21-09-2011 03:44 PM)Notyou Wrote:  If I'm wrong, why is there so many servers with any kind of limitations(class limit, dual lr sg ban, pp ban, gl ban, no tonics,...) and none of them has EVER been shut down for limiting weapons/classes/widgets?

Because these rules are new.
http://www.battlefieldheroes.com/en/foru...tid=166692
"(This post was last modified: 12-09-2011 07:20 AM by VitalBullet)."

[grizzle699]

you children can't be playing much if you spend all your time in these forums crying into to your milk. Get a life find a server you like and just play.

REgards grizzle

[Notyou]

(21-09-2011 04:32 PM)Mrs.Murder Wrote:  

(21-09-2011 03:44 PM)Notyou Wrote:  If I'm wrong, why is there so many servers with any kind of limitations(class limit, dual lr sg ban, pp ban, gl ban, no tonics,...) and none of them has EVER been shut down for limiting weapons/classes/widgets?

Because these rules are new.
http://www.battlefieldheroes.com/en/foru...tid=166692
"(This post was last modified: 12-09-2011 07:20 AM by VitalBullet)."

And you know for a fact that this is what VitalBullet edited/added?

[Lennna]

(21-09-2011 02:48 PM)Kallman Wrote:  IF you clearly state these rules in your server banner and welcome message (more on this below)"

(more on this below) continues with the part telling us that it is only allowed on unranked. The (only default weapon) part is just an example, as would (no pirate pistol) be. It is limitation of player items! So you made yourself clear, but I believe you are wrong and i am telling you why I believe you are wrong.

Wrong. The "more on this below" is about the part that you have to state the rules in the server banner.

Admins are allowed to ban certain weapons, widgets from their server. They don't need to switch their server to unranked.

[SD149]

Quote:Imposing rules that limit player items:

While we would prefer most, if not all servers to be accessible to ALL players, this sometimes is not the case and we do not have issues with rules that are imposed on servers that will limit players to certain items (for example: Only default weapons) BUT this comes with two conditions. That players are notified before and after connecting to your server and that the server is run in UNRANKED[/u] mode.

Well banning PP is limiting a player item is it not? It says there are 2 conditions, one of them is being in unranked mode...

Yet so many ranked servers limit player items? Mixed messages given off.

[Firebaall]

Oh, my.

That's a new stipulation. I'm sure of it. I wouldn't have overlooked that (I think). I approve of that 110%.

Bravo.

[Lennna]

(21-09-2011 08:30 PM)SD149 Wrote:  

Quote:Imposing rules that limit player items:

While we would prefer most, if not all servers to be accessible to ALL players, this sometimes is not the case and we do not have issues with rules that are imposed on servers that will limit players to certain items (for example: Only default weapons) BUT this comes with two conditions. That players are notified before and after connecting to your server and that the server is run in UNRANKED mode.

Well banning PP is limiting a player item is it not? It says there are 2 conditions, one of them is being in unranked mode...

Yet so many ranked servers limit player items? Mixed messages given off.

Disallowing the Pirate Pistol =/= limiting players to certain items

If the rule would be: You are only allowed to use the Pirate Pistol, it would be limiting players to certain weapons. Just like the "Only default weapons", where you are only allowed to use those.

The rules about the Pirate Pistol just disallow 1 certain weapon and gives the player the opportunity to use around 20 others. That's does not limit the player to use certain weapons.

[Firebaall]

You'd best check with VitalBullet, directly.

Disallowing a PP on a ranked server is now against the rules. Try and put your personal feelings aside on the PP, and follow the new guidelines.

This is the way it should have been from the start.

[Lennna]

(21-09-2011 09:01 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  You'd best check with VitalBullet, directly.

I will.

(21-09-2011 09:01 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  Disallowing a PP on a ranked server is now against the rules. Try and put your personal feelings aside on the PP, and follow the new guidelines.

My personal "feelings" have nothing to do with these rules. Banning 1 certain weapon doesn't limit anybody to use certain items. They are just not allowed to use this particular one.

[Falkhorn]

So it's now illegal to kick for using a PP? What a load of hooey. They allow the mando limiter but not kicking for use of the "gamebreaking" PP? Looks like more soldiers/gunners will invade with these senseless weapons instead of the sensible punk shotties.

[Firebaall]

(21-09-2011 09:14 PM)Lennna Wrote:  

(21-09-2011 09:01 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  You'd best check with VitalBullet, directly.

I will.

(21-09-2011 09:01 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  Disallowing a PP on a ranked server is now against the rules. Try and put your personal feelings aside on the PP, and follow the new guidelines.

My personal "feelings" have nothing to do with these rules. Banning 1 certain weapon doesn't limit anybody to use certain items. They are just not allowed to use this particular one.

Until you do ask, I would kindly ask you not to contradict the rules in public by saying the servers that limit items don't need to be unranked.

As to your logic about banning 1 weapon isn't actually limiting items, I can't even begin to say how upside down that is.

I hope VB clarifies this issue black and white for you (and us). I personally see this as an excellent server rule. It prevents "play now" traffic from being violated by people that want to have their own version of "stat padding".

As it is (with this new rule in place), "play now" traffic can look forward to fair and unbiased play, scoring, and more accurate stats.

(21-09-2011 09:19 PM)Falkhorn Wrote:  So it's now illegal to kick for using a PP? What a load of hooey. They allow the mando limiter but not kicking for use of the "gamebreaking" PP? Looks like more soldiers/gunners will invade with these senseless weapons instead of the sensible punk shotties.

The limiter was set to 2, a number that was deemed by the developers as needed to keep the dynamic and the balance of the game intact. Perfectly fair.

[Lennna]

(21-09-2011 09:23 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  It prevents "play now" traffic from being violated by people that want to have their own version of "stat padding".

Sorry, but I miss the "stat padding" part in banning one single weapon.

[Firebaall]

(21-09-2011 09:25 PM)Lennna Wrote:  Sorry, but I miss the "stat padding" part in banning one single weapon.

Removing the pressure you'd normally face in a public ranked environment gives you an advantage. That's a fact.

There's a reason why you want the PP barred from use, and there's no reason why you shouldn't have to face it on a ranked server.

[Notyou]

Well ain't this a b-tch now.
Bring on the dual LR shotties and let's QQ about glitching..yet again.

[CaptainShootALot]

If you say: no pirate pistols on this server, aren't you actually limiting the allowed weapons on the server to only mg/smg/sr/p/sg/tnt/gr/mgl/rpg/knife?

I think no Sr rule is good so mandos can still join a game while not ruining it

[Moke]

(21-09-2011 09:01 PM)Firebaall Wrote:  Try and put your personal feelings aside on the PP, and follow the new guidelines.

I have doubts about this too... and so have alot of people.

you read it one way, some read it another, we will ask for vitalbullet (or another blue) to clarify those rules as soon as possible.

untill then I would suggest you refrain from making statements as above and follow the previous guidelines set, which did not include this:

Imposing rules that limit player items:

While we would prefer most, if not all servers to be accessible to ALL players, this sometimes is not the case and we do not have issues with rules that are imposed on servers that will limit players to certain items (for example: Only default weapons) BUT this comes with two conditions. That players are notified before and after connecting to your server and that the server is run in UNRANKED[/u] mode. How can you do this? Well see below:

Please note that getting very specific in this might require the blues taking a trip to legal before being able to write down anything specific = takes time (my guess)

[Firebaall]

(21-09-2011 10:16 PM)Moke Wrote:  I have doubts about this too... and so have alot of people.

you read it one way, some read it another, we will ask for vitalbullet (or another blue) to clarify those rules as soon as possible.

untill then I would suggest you refrain from making statements as above and follow the previous guidelines set, which did not include this:

Please note that getting very specific in this might require the blues taking a trip to legal before being able to write down anything specific = takes time (my guess)

No problem, if nothing else it's a good opportunity to discuss the pros and cons of the situation.

I feel that limits on items of any kind should force that server imposing them to go "unranked". Why should those players that remove part of the game be allowed to have public traffic and enjoy XP (or stats)? Especially when they are allowed to stop the use of items they don't like or find difficult to play against? In contrast to everybody else? I see that as a kind of "stat padding".

They should be held to the same pressures as all players on unmodified servers do, in order to reap the benefits of a ranked server.

Either way, whatever the ruling comes in on, my actions will reflect the rules. I expect everybody else to do as much.

[ak98]

out of respect, the forum is not really a place to complain. if you have a problem, the forum doesn't want to hear it, the greens and blues do.

[Firebaall]

(22-09-2011 04:48 AM)ak98 Wrote:  out of respect, the forum is not really a place to complain. if you have a problem, the forum doesn't want to hear it, the greens and blues do.

Funny, your server getting shut down for abuse was a direct result of complaints made in this very forum section. It was such a valid place to make a complaint, that your server provider actually came on this website and made an apology (as I recall).

Seems to me the "Rental server and such" is the proper place to air out complaints about how they are run, and discuss what rules they need to follow. Maybe you should pay attention to them, if you open that New York server you've been talking about.

[SD149]

(21-09-2011 08:58 PM)Lennna Wrote:  

(21-09-2011 08:30 PM)SD149 Wrote:  

Quote:Imposing rules that limit player items:

While we would prefer most, if not all servers to be accessible to ALL players, this sometimes is not the case and we do not have issues with rules that are imposed on servers that will limit players to certain items (for example: Only default weapons) BUT this comes with two conditions. That players are notified before and after connecting to your server and that the server is run in UNRANKED mode.

Well banning PP is limiting a player item is it not? It says there are 2 conditions, one of them is being in unranked mode...

Yet so many ranked servers limit player items? Mixed messages given off.

Disallowing the Pirate Pistol =/= limiting players to certain items

You are limiting which weapons the player can use though. You are not letting him/her use the PP, this is limiting a player item. I really don't know how you managed to come up with your last statement.