[Weapons] Midrange Pistol Buff (258 supporters!)

[Truslow]

So I've recently been trying out pistols on my commando and it seems to me that the mid-range pistol has the potential to be an excellent weapon but has some flaws that prevent it from shining. So here are the buffs which I think would make it much more useful.

My suggestions:
1) Increase the clip size to 10 (non-Uber; 13 for the Uber). This would put its clip right in between the clip size of the short pistol (12) and long range pistol (8) (non-Ubers). Currently both the lr pistol and shotgun share the same clip size of 8 (11 uber) and the sr pistol and shotgun have clip sizes of 12 (15 uber). Where the pattern differs is the mr shotgun has 10 rounds but the mr pistol has 6 (13 and 9 uber respectively). Buffing the mr pistol clip size to 10 would give all the pistols and shotguns identical clip sizes instead of leaving the mr pistol as the odd one out.

Statistically the non-uber physically lacks the bullets to kill a full health commando without 100% accuracy at max damage (excluding crits), the uber squeaks by with just enough to kill a soldier (88% or greater accuracy required). By comparison the non-uber lr & sr pistols have enough bullets to kill a full health gunner provided 100% accuracy and max damage. Granted this is all in an ideal environment. Still I think it is significant that the non-uber mr pistol can't kill anything other than a commando with a full clip and the uber can only kill 2/3 of the classes with a full clip when by comparison the non-uber lr & sr pistols can (in theory) kill all 3 classes in one clip.

To elaborate on the stats:
Non-uber pistols:
SR Pistol: mag size = 12; max dmg = 13; 12*13= 156 damage/mag
LR Pistol: mag size = 8; max dmg = 20; 8*20= 160 damage/mag <--Best dmg/mag
Non-buff MR Pistol: mag size = 6; max dmg = 15; 6*15= 90 damage/mag<--worst dmg/mag
Buffed MR Pistol: mag size = 10; max dmg = 15; 10*15= 150 damage/mag

Uber Pistols:
SR Pistol: mag size = 15; max dmg = 13; 15*13= 195 damage/mag <--Tie w/Buff MR Pistol
LR Pistol: mag size = 11; max dmg = 20; 11*20= 220 damage/mag <--Best dmg/mag
Non-buff MR Pistol: mag size = 9; max dmg = 15; 9*15= 135 damage/mag<--worst dmg/mag
Buffed MR Pistol: mag size = 13; max dmg = 15; 13*15= 195 damage/mag <--Tie w/SR pistol


2) Buff its accuracy to .5 By improving its accuracy to .5 it will give the midrange pistol accuracy .3 above the lr pistol (.2 accuracy) and .3 below the sr pistol (.8 accuracy). Currently its accuracy stats have no logic as it is the only midrange weapon that is less accurate than the short range variant (the mr pistol has .9 accuracy while the short range pistol is .8). By buffing the midrange pistol's accuracy to .5 it gives it an accuracy right in between the accuracies of the lr and sr pistols.

Neither the existing small clip or poor accuracy can be explained as being there for balance. This is exemplified by the sr pistol which has double the rounds to do its job despite being more accurate than the mr pistol (so accuracy is not a cause for the 6 round clip) and the sr pistol does nearly identical per bullet damage within its sweet spot while having a rof double that of the mr pistol (so rof & per bullet damage cannot be a reason for the 6 round clip). This evidence also obviously contradicts any assumptions that the accuracy of the mr pistol is there for balance.

I do not believe that its per bullet damage should be buffed as it is already slightly higher than the sr pistol's per bullet damage. Any more and it might produce balance issues.

I believe the sweet spot (area in which a weapon does its best damage) is fairly good at just 2 meters less than the size of the sr pistol's sweet spot. At this time I believe it is important to focus on the most critical buffs for the purpose of giving the devs a good focus on the highest priorities for fixing the mr pistol and also to minimize the chance of the devs catching flak for overbuffing yet another weapon. Additionally I do not believe a sweetspot buff will have much impact without a buffed clip or accuracy because: 1) the gun physically lacks the bullets required to kill most healthy targets so an increase in the maximum damage range won't improve its killing power by much 2) a large sweet spot will be irrelevant if the pistol does not have the accuracy to consistently hit targets at the more extreme end of the sweet spot.

After the clip and accuracy is buffed I will gladly support a buff to the sweetspot.

In sum: buff the midrange pistol’s clip to 10 (non-Uber; 13 for the Uber) and buff the accuracy from .9 to .5

MR Pistol Buff Support Group: If you support buffing the mr pistol please also consider joining this group which supports buffing the mr pistol and the suggestions in this thread. Thank you PappaIstDa for informing me of the existence of your group, every bit of support we can muster will help improving the chances that the mr pistol gets its long overdue buff.

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[TheScaryWarrior]

nice idea. /sign, if there is another of this i'll /sign too.

[Provi]

I've decided to reopen this thread. It has specific suggestions for the mr pistol past suggestions have ignored, not to mention those are more than dead by now.

[Truslow]

(10-01-2011 01:34 AM)Provi Wrote:  I've decided to reopen this thread. It has specific suggestions for the mr pistol past suggestions have ignored, not to mention those are more than dead by now.

Thanks Provi! Hopefully the devs will take note and make this long over due buff.

[The_WUUSTER]

If this long-due buff does happen, I'll be waiting to try out the MR pistol.

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/Sign~ :3

[4bras]

/sign I agree, this gun could actually be used effectively if buffed.

[Drolix]

/sign

[Sephix^]

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[hgjfrtudfjutzdrg]

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[fausje]

/sign

[Blackjack_Seven]

/sign.

[Erreip199]

i agree with what uve said, and i would like to add that increasing it sweet spot would be nice too, right now its extremely short compared to the other pistols

[Truslow]

(13-01-2011 06:52 AM)Erreip199 Wrote:  i agree with what uve said, and i would like to add that increasing it sweet spot would be nice too, right now its extremely short compared to the other pistols

I haven't suggested an increase in sweet spot as it seems like it would be a lower priority in having a meaningful impact on the mr pistol's performance given that a bigger sweet spot won't help if it doesn't have the accuracy required or enough rounds to finish a target. Its sweet spot is also only 2 meters less than the sr pistol's sweet spot (8 meters vs. 10 meters; either being much better than the infamous mr smg's sweet spot of 5 meters).

That's pretty close so I'm a bit hesitant to push for increasing the sweet spot as I wouldn't want to distract the devs from buffing the clip size and accuracy or encourage too many buffs. I agree though that the sweet spot could be an area considered for buffing at some point if clip size and accuracy buffs prove insufficient in bringing the pistol up to par.

If you have some suggestions for a very small sweet spot buff I'd be happy to add it though as an additional buff albeit lower priority.

[Trezzman]

/sign

[sharpeye9846]

well i dont use mid range pistol but
/signed
only cuz i wanna help and youre right

[SneakyCapownage]

/sign

[maxim011]

/Sign

I really hope this change will hapen. MR pistol is super fun to play with

[Infidel63]

/sign

[MichaelFRocks]

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