Something is wrong. Classes are seriously unbalanced

[eatyourface1]

(05-06-2012 08:15 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 07:19 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 06:35 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 06:27 PM)zZage Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 02:54 PM)Drugie Wrote:  It's easy, and I've said it plenty of times before.

PS = Piercing Shot

Shot =/= Shots

Make PS last for 1 shot. They can still deal a lot of damage, but have to actually aim the rest of their shots, rather than just getting a headshot then shooting anywhere to get the kill.

Or just split the commando class in a knifing and sniping class so you can nerf snipers without nerfing knifers/pistolers and then pistolers could just choose wether they want to be the sniping or knifing class.
Oh and make the knifing class ridiculously OP erm I mean Balanced please.

LoL, imagine if knifers got a skill that increased their knife range by 500m for ONE slash xD?

I got 500 for one slash
Do I hear 505
505
I got 505 for one slash
Who will give me 510?
510?
510?
505 once
505 twice
YEP!!!!!
525 to the tempermental monkey.
SOLD.
Now pay the lady.

Storage Wars?

YES....Now if I could give you a TACO I would.

[eatyourface1]

(05-06-2012 08:03 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:00 PM)BongoChili Wrote:  Good lord, this is exactly the same discussion as 2,5 years ago LOL

And it will forever continue, sadly ><. Just prepare for lotsa luls.

Who you calling a lul?

[The_WUUSTER]

(05-06-2012 09:04 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:15 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 07:19 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 06:35 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 06:27 PM)zZage Wrote:  Or just split the commando class in a knifing and sniping class so you can nerf snipers without nerfing knifers/pistolers and then pistolers could just choose wether they want to be the sniping or knifing class.
Oh and make the knifing class ridiculously OP erm I mean Balanced please.

LoL, imagine if knifers got a skill that increased their knife range by 500m for ONE slash xD?

I got 500 for one slash
Do I hear 505
505
I got 505 for one slash
Who will give me 510?
510?
510?
505 once
505 twice
YEP!!!!!
525 to the tempermental monkey.
SOLD.
Now pay the lady.

Storage Wars?

YES....Now if I could give you a TACO I would.

Dave is a massive troll .____.

[WorldBosh]

(05-06-2012 09:03 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:00 PM)BongoChili Wrote:  Good lord, this is exactly the same discussion as 2,5 years ago LOL

NO
INCORRECT
refer to post #103 for the difference maker

I also agree.

[WorldBosh]

(05-06-2012 09:07 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:04 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:15 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 07:19 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 06:35 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  LoL, imagine if knifers got a skill that increased their knife range by 500m for ONE slash xD?

I got 500 for one slash
Do I hear 505
505
I got 505 for one slash
Who will give me 510?
510?
510?
505 once
505 twice
YEP!!!!!
525 to the tempermental monkey.
SOLD.
Now pay the lady.

Storage Wars?

YES....Now if I could give you a TACO I would.

Dave is a massive troll .____.

Dave reminds of a.....PS5 + Fast Rifle mando lmao. Darryl is....a.......knifer. Everyone else is lvl 1.

[genreldillon1103]

mid-evil times madness

[genreldillon1103]

medvill evil

[eatyourface1]

(05-06-2012 09:09 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:07 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:04 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:15 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 07:19 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  I got 500 for one slash
Do I hear 505
505
I got 505 for one slash
Who will give me 510?
510?
510?
505 once
505 twice
YEP!!!!!
525 to the tempermental monkey.
SOLD.
Now pay the lady.

Storage Wars?

YES....Now if I could give you a TACO I would.

Dave is a massive troll .____.

Dave reminds of a.....PS5 + Fast Rifle mando lmao. Darryl is....a.......knifer. Everyone else is lvl 1.

Troll is right....I like me some Barry.

[eatyourface1]

(05-06-2012 09:10 PM)genreldillon1103 Wrote:  medvill evil

use your words

[The_WUUSTER]

(05-06-2012 09:16 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:09 PM)WorldBosh Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:07 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 09:04 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 08:15 PM)The_WUUSTER Wrote:  Storage Wars?

YES....Now if I could give you a TACO I would.

Dave is a massive troll .____.

Dave reminds of a.....PS5 + Fast Rifle mando lmao. Darryl is....a.......knifer. Everyone else is lvl 1.

Troll is right....I like me some Barry.

Barry's pretty cool :3

[eatyourface1]

But which one of them is overpowered?
That discussion would make as much sense as this thread does.
Circus Afro?
And no...Brandi does not need tweaking.

[The_WUUSTER]

(05-06-2012 09:38 PM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  But which one of them is overpowered?
That discussion would make as much sense as this thread does.
Circus Afro?
And no...Brandi does not need tweaking.

Dave's definitely OP.

[Afigenas9]

in my opinion. soldiers are the strongest class.... u can use pistol like sniper.. and smg as minigun.... Lol sound wierd but... i mean he fkin has Blasting strike. Healing skill. Burning skill. HE HAS EVERYTHING

[2DayULive]

(05-06-2012 07:46 AM)Salvenius. Wrote:  So without the need of reading your post 2Day, you honestly have no idea how snipers in this game work? Commandos cannot technically 1 shot kill. Each class can kill just as fast as each other. Commandos kill fast best at long range, Gunners kill fast best at close range and Soldiers can pretty much kill fast in close range as well. However a minority can easily make each of these classes kill just as fast in the opposite ranges...are we to nerf each class because that minority can do that?

Commando kills fast both at short and long range = knife/rifle and out dmg both gunner and soldier. Soldiers have no range.

Quote:Snipers at most can 2-3 shot a soldier and gunner, that is with the use of a sniper rifle and piercing shot, which by the way some commandos do not play that way and use either pistols or knifes.

That stealth does indeed give a free shot as you put it but so does Sixth Sense for the Soldier as it allows you and your team to find enemies and essentially create tactics on the fly or land a free shot such as grenades/grenade spam or a gunner to throw a Keg in that direction.

With the use of PS = OP. You are starting to understand... I'll any day rather have stealth than SS, any day lmao. SS, unlike stealth, shows a bubble that leads your opponent. Enough talking about other abilities lol...

Quote:Sure, Commandos can run around invisible but THAT is the main purpose of a commando. From the very start of Battlefield Heroes, the developers stated that Gunner and Soldier would be there to cause chaos on the battlefield with their abilities while the Commando is for the more devious and calculating type of players. Stealth allows for the player to set themselves into a nice place and either take a shot or become eyes for their team.

Stealth takes the purpose of playing for other classes, allows the enemy to get into a spot that gets 100% kill, and defeats the purpose of playing this game.

Quote:HOWEVER this is where having a commando on your own team comes into play. You see Commandos have this very awesome ability called Mark Target, it uncloaks and reveals enemy commandos, taking the use of their stealth away from them.

Maybe rather than nerfing a perfectly fine class, you should teach the people who play commando in your team on how to use Mark Target effectively or tell the server admin to stop being a wimp and allow commandos to play.

Or maybe have the class nerf instead of completely and solely relying on other commandos. FACT IS, this ability kills all human senses, you must have a commando on your team(really, what about when not?), and blah blah blah, this is basic. We have commando limits for a reason for you to call it perfectly fine.

Quote:Do you honestly think tweaking the stealth ability will change how commandos are? If so then you are sadly mistaken, at least unless you start putting a duration on the stealth...if that's the case then you may as well start taking games seriously and go buy hats in TF2.

I ask for fair play.

Quote:Furthermore, not every commando lands the next shot after the "free shot"...some don't even land the free shot.

I have said this before, a player should not rely on their opponent lack of skill to survive an ability.

What is your goal? If you can solve my problems, I will be okay and come to an agreement. I am reasonable.

(05-06-2012 08:31 AM)persifedron Wrote:  The same old topic over and over again.
I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again: it's the player, not the class.

If you play fair and for the fun of it all, it's OK.
The problem is that a lot of people are playing this game as it is Counter-Strike or some wanna be serious game. And a lot of the players are "super skilled 15-year old kids".
ELO and KDR are helping too.

Kind of sad, kind of funny, kind of normal.

Being killed before realizing or activating skill is not fun. Playing when you have 20% of winning is not fun. Playing a class that basically makes the game empty is not fun. Play for fun? pff.

I am not asking for stealth to be remove. Changes would be fine. Playing empty games or having a class completely free of harm = not good.

(05-06-2012 09:59 PM)Afigenas9 Wrote:  in my opinion. soldiers are the strongest class.... u can use pistol like sniper.. and smg as minigun.... Lol sound wierd but... i mean he fkin has Blasting strike. Healing skill. Burning skill. HE HAS EVERYTHING

Except for speed, hp, high dmg, complete invisibility, blah blah blah.

[jallu87]

i ask for stealth to be removed. its not needed. though i would like to see how would srsg suit for mando without stealth.

[2DayULive]

(05-06-2012 03:31 AM)eatyourface1 Wrote:  I know it now sounds obvious, but the inherent inequality associated with difference (i.e. classes) totally left my radar. The classes are not all equal and neither are the humans on their respective side of the keyboard. Maybe that is what provides the game a level of unpredictability (and behold, we have beauty). For me (yeah we are talking about me again) the unpredictability makes a multiplayer game preferable to a single player one. I played the BF1942 series from the start and depended upon the online multiplayer for my own player progression.

Just a thought.....should not this conversation about class inequality and op be prefixed with the classes being equal levels and players / heroes / humans being of equal experience? Are not experience (time) and level (accessibility to abilities) differentials and should therefore be set equal if one is to determine an innate inequality between the classes (still think SuperAwesomeOne is classless, just saying). So for the sake of discussion (or argument), say a level 30 rank XXV soldier, level 30 rank XXV gunner, and level 30 rank XXV commando walk into a bar.....skip that.....put them in a game.....each should be equally matched but they aren't because each is dependent upon the experiences and skill sets of the human on the keyboard, his or her choice of weapons, widgets, and abilities, ....lag, state of mind, current daily taco intake.........yeah it is called VARIABLES.

I don’t believe an even playing field will ever occur between classes even if level and rank are equal. Too many variables that seem to always result in one having an advantage over the other. But it’s a fluid game and therefore that advantage can shift, especially with player instigated change (weapons, widgets, abilities, location,…etc.) . And heaven forbid anyone ever tries a different TACTIC. I’ve had some players scream NOOB BASHER after they are killed repeatedly in the same manner while there are others that may get caught once but soon adjust and kill me in an embarrassingly quick manner. I mean how many times up the TACO BAR ladder before they figure it out? Meanwhile there are those such as INSTINCTS that when shot at jumps from the ladder, shoots me from afar, and then climbs on up as I am lit up like a bonfire running for a new life and a day without fear (no respect for my authoritie). And those TKO jerks ….try the taco ladder on them and they will come after you and then bust up the joint (they’re mean). And E-builder has taken to just standing by the ladder and killing me with that machine gun…repeatedly. Hey wait a minute, what was that about changing tactics???? If I stood in the same spot but called it a “pulled pork penthouse of love”, would that make a difference?
Alas we are not equal, none of us. Never will be. Especially where the classes are concerned.

I am mainly concerned about the advantages and disadvantages(gunners) of each classes. Some are very abnormal to humans and barely have any weaknesses(mando). I mainly want balance on advantages and disadvantages and make chances to abnormal game play or abilities.

Some further changes are coming so meh, tic toc tic toc, few more months till summer.

[orpheus######]

I think we should nerf chicken salt, its much too overpowered with its amazing flavour.

[jallu87]

nerf instincs QQ ability. its lame and OP and melts braincells :/

[dajurgen]

(06-06-2012 11:02 AM)jallu87 Wrote:  nerf instincs QQ ability. its lame and OP and melts braincells :/

if i put that in my sig , would i get F banned ? D:

[The_WUUSTER]

(06-06-2012 12:04 PM)dajurgen Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 11:02 AM)jallu87 Wrote:  nerf instincs QQ ability. its lame and OP and melts braincells :/

if i put that in my sig , would i get F banned ? D:

If it's allowed then I'll put that in my sig too.