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Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - ShadeShooter - 01-12-2009 01:50 PM
So now that things have somewhat quietened down, I have a chance to create one central topic where you can voice your opinions (within reason, as in a serious and mature discussion and nothing of the sort of "you suck" and the many other examples that are seen floating about currently)
The official statement is as of follows:
(30-11-2009 03:59 PM)BenCousins Wrote: Hi guys - that interview is from February 2008 I think - we've been selling weapons for both BF and VP for a while now - nothing changed there today. If you remember we made the standard weapons available permanently for BF in closed beta. These new weapons are no different - they are available for free with VP and they are available permanently for BF (actually at a price that was lower than before).
Followed by several other statements by some of the Heroes Team:
(01-12-2009 08:44 AM)HelloAndy Wrote:
(01-12-2009 09:41 AM)HelloAndy Wrote:(01-12-2009 09:06 AM)johnratchet3 Wrote: I'd like to say that I'm very glad someone is replying to the many sensible questions and comments now. Thank you for that Andy.
Forewarning: This will be the only topic open concerning this matter, any topics created concerning this matter will be closed and redirected here as not only does it allow us to streamline your feeling, emotions and feedback to the Team but it gives you a direct link to the statements given by us.
Furthermore, any posts in this topic attempting to cause trouble will be deleted with no questions asked. You want an official topic to state your opinions etc. you now have one and you can do so but in an orderly fashion.
So let's keep this civil and calm please, the subject is a frustrating one, that much is known but foul language, hatred, anger, rage and anything else that causes negativity never gets you anywhere except into trouble.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - LoL2Much - 01-12-2009 01:52 PM
Thank you shade for this thread First post!!
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Bara - 01-12-2009 01:53 PM
This Imagechaos yesterday caused so much lag.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - HELICOPTER_AMBO - 01-12-2009 01:55 PM
yeah this is good
i didnt see some of those quotes cause they got lost in the flaming fires of death
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Chrooz - 01-12-2009 01:55 PM
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Thaffy - 01-12-2009 01:58 PM
Just restore the prices back, that would be awsome
And do like in the other topic (new weapons = 450/7 VP)
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - LoL2Much - 01-12-2009 01:58 PM
Viva Revolution was more annyoing then the price changes actualy...And why isant this thread flooded with posts yet?
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Surgery - 01-12-2009 01:58 PM
If you just changed the prices to be lower, while still having the option of buying for longer and buying for VP in the first place, none of this would of happened and you wouldn't of had pages of spam on the matter..
Think before you do a major change to the game.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - AlmostElite - 01-12-2009 02:00 PM
CAN THEY AT LEAST CHANGE BANDAGES AND WRENCHES BACK?!?!?!
EA could also think about RAISING THE MINIMUM VP EARNED IN ONE ROUND... 3-7 VP, oh boy time for a VP boo- wait...THAT'S BATTLE FUNDS
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Wolverine81 - 01-12-2009 02:01 PM
Imagine now using bandages that crashes a few euro-cents.
If so be it, at least for the let 120vp bandage will be 50 not 10
Cool clothes better weapons but disagree about bandages should not be available for BF.
Did any of you are able to earn in 1 day so many VP to create a good weapon for 1day? I think not.
Please think about it thanks.
Please others in this topic that behaved like grown men, and not as savage children with ADHD. Constructive conversation can do more good than destructive anger.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - wotertool - 01-12-2009 02:01 PM
yes please change the prices back
and the new weapons should be a little bit cheaper
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - McNutty|R.A.T.S. - 01-12-2009 02:02 PM
I love this game.
I am one of the older guys here (29) and I had always been intimidated by online shooters, talk of KDR and server lists were like a brick wall to me. But Heroes seamed different, it was a game that focused on fun and it was easy to have a good time even if I wasn’t the best player on the team.
As time went on I got better and the best thing was that I started to make some really cool friends. I wrote about that in one of the first “User Reviews” and it was featured on the front page – that was awesome.
My group of friends became the R.A.T.S. Clan. Essentially we were a bunch a bunch of people that had fun playing together, nothing too “hardcore” just a big old group of like-minded people that you could join up with for a laugh. The idea that I would end up helping to put together a clan with their own server would have been crazy to me a year ago but it is probably the most fun I’ve had playing games (definitely when it comes to online games).
Because I am older I have the money to “keep up” with the way Heroes is going. £5 every now and then is no big deal and I have spent a silly amount of money on virtual kilts and parrots over the past few months. I was happy to do so because I wanted to support this awesome game (and DICE made Pinball Dreams for the Amiga and were therefore awesome).
The thing is that a lot of my friends aren’t going to be able to “keep up” and if I can’t play on a level playing field then I don’t want to play.
When I first started playing I sucked – 9 months later and I’m good(ish). I worked for that and I don’t want to have my progress cheapened by buying an advantage.
There is now a two tier system and half my friends are on the wrong side of the tracks; some because they don’t have the disposable income, others because they object to the course of action being taken.
Please reconsider this DICE. Remember when you were three students in a bedroom programming Amiga games? I don’t think that those guys would want to undo all the good work that you have done so far – and some of that work has been fan-dabi-dozi.
[Reposting this because the original got lost in the spam and I would like the team to see it and, ideally, respond. Also, make sure to read Clast's excellent post attached by the poster below me. Thanks]
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - LoseALot - 01-12-2009 02:02 PM
(30-11-2009 11:10 PM)Clast Wrote: You've made an excellent game, fantastic in fact. You looked on the barren wasteland that is f2p games and made a vow that instantly won you an audience with gamers, to maintain balance between those who will play your game for free, and those who wish to pay. "No unfair advantages. No buying a win button."
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - d3phext - 01-12-2009 02:02 PM
When we say that the new weapons being 450/day for a set of three standard weapons is ridiculously high, we're not strictly thinking of ourselves. Sure, I've floated between 3.5 and 4.5 thousand VP for the last month, but when my stash is gone within a month, I'll be in the same boat as the newbies, unless I spend BF.
This is not a full set of extra-everything, this is a VP deficit for every person just to (try to) keep his choice of Tier 1 weapons. Of course refreshing weapons was practically free before, as were bandages. But I'd rather see the VP increase be halved and everyone go to 0 VP right now, than to leave the prices the way they are. It has been demonstrated by several players using solid math that there's just not enough time in the day to "break even" on your VP gain. And that's just for one hero's weapons, I plan on changing my playstyle to avoid buying bandages for a while.
And speaking of newbies, one can't throw around that kind of VP (with the current VP earning system) to experiment and find his play-style. For example, I never could get the hang of the fast rifle. Well pretend it's my first day as a commando again. When I've just bought one and spent five minutes determining it sucks (personal observation, others can use it extremely well), I'm more likely to give up completely in anger since I've just depleted my whole VP bankroll. I wouldn't even have the VP to see how the very slow rifle (which I love) redeems my class!
One other issue I haven't seen addressed is simple; the single grenade is not nearly as useful or powerful as an RPG, yet they cost the same (read: too much). This wasn't an issue when we had VP to throw around on practically free weapons, but now it is.
And now is the time to reconsider the suggestion of having items time out based on play-time rather than real-life days. I thought it was a mostly pointless suggestion before, but now that we have to spend VP carefully it has much more merit. If this could sensibly implemented, no change would even be necessary to the current VP pricing.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - SigmaSlugger - 01-12-2009 02:02 PM
Ok, since you asked, I'll put up the censored version of my opinion here. The changes are ridiculous, at first when I checked the new shotguns pricing I thought "Well that's a rip-off but theyre not forcing us to buy it right?" Then as I go on my commando I realize that my Sharpshooter expired. I go to the shop and at first I thought it was a bug from the shotguns. Today I come to hear that it was not a bug. You really screwed up this time, but if you change the prices back or maybe add like 100 Vp to the original 1 Month price that would be fine, and all this spam-post about EA Sucks and Screw you EA would disappear and everyone would laugh about it over some nice tea. Wouldn't that be great?
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - 8ogdan - 01-12-2009 02:02 PM
The main problem with this update was (and still is ) the outrageous increase in VP cost . I wouldn't have minded a 5-10VP increase in the price of the weapons and widgets (which i rarely use, because I'm a soldier ), but at the moment I can't even sustain a single hero .
As long as BF could not give you an advantage , the community was (mostly) happy . The recent update made weapons viable for current use only to BF buyers . That , in my opinion , brakes the idea that initially made me play this game : a free-to-play game that doesn't give an advantage to paying players .
As for buying battlefunds , I haven't bought them , because I can't . My card doesn't work on the internet and the additional paying methods you introduced aren't available in my country . The only hope I have is SMS paying method , which I'm not sure if it will available in my region .
I would buy battlefunds , but if the game doesn't respect the idea that brought to Battlefield Heroes , then I won't . Having an advantage over others simply because you have spent money isn't fair , in my opinion .
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - LoseALot - 01-12-2009 02:03 PM
Hope you don't mind, Clash.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - KorenoV - 01-12-2009 02:04 PM
They Just want money , again like all the comments u've saw at the topics .
alot will quit if the vp wont get back to what it was ...
And start make events , and more things that can buy in VP in the store
Stop think about making Money !
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - Diablotin - 01-12-2009 02:05 PM
Well then I'll redirect myself here as the other post is sure to go down the pages pretty fast.
All I would like to add is that if I do have some spare VP, it's because I invested battlefunds into VP boost, and now you want us to invest more. I would've done it in due time but forcing me to do it sooner just doesn't make the cut. I more or less understand EA/Dice's position on this but the people who have payed already are the ones that are the most penalised on this issue, and it's sad as we are the ones that already contibuted to the game's development in the long run...
(01-12-2009 12:15 PM)Diablotin Wrote: Is "Awsome" the right word to use Nutty? There are still many uncleared points and I see no official thread opened up by a mod to have a serious discussion with the community.
RE: Discussion: VP/BF Price Changes - P.Schulze - 01-12-2009 02:06 PM
(01-12-2009 01:50 PM)ShadeShooter Wrote: For widgets like bandages, I think lots of people forget that this change is for everyone. And it's not only about pricing but a bit about gameplay too. Think about it like this: If you can assume that every player you meet will have a stack of essentially unlimited amount of bandages, then what good is that item? We could've just made it default for no price at all. Which in turn would mean we could just remove it since everyone have it. Now what you get is instead an item that is worth something, that you save for those special occasions instead of throwing on basically every cooldown. Yes, it will be a change of how you play, how everyone plays. But in my opinion, after 10 000 rounds fired and the round is over, I'd rather see that I've killed (and maybe died) 10 times instead of 3.
What special occasion? A candlelightdiner with a royal? This is a SHOOTER! It happens every third time, that I use a bandage and someone shoots me from far away and interupts the healing... And cheaters make it even harder to get healed in peace... This is the worst thing about the update. The weapons may be acceptable, but this... this is a big advantage for rich kids. That way I can flush my money down the toilet. Or at least burn something with it!
I would have no problem to pay for weapons, but in the moment not even for that, cause this game is a CHEATERPARADISE!